MisterMike

Good news people.

G & J called, they have my OEM lines. They are now ready to take orders.
These prices are the best I have ever seen.

$54.00 for (2) Front lines/with color covering + longer banjo bolt + banjo washers
$22.00 for (1) Rear line/with color covering + banjo washers
$70.00 for the kit which includes the Front lines, Rear line, banjo bolt, and banjo washers.

You can call G & J directly at (909) 986 6534. Tell them you are a Wrist Twister member.

A big round of applause goes out to Rob Tharalson for laying the ground work with G & J.

daveb

Will call Tuesday and place an order!

HondaStreetfigh

WOW. That's cheap.

ez__rider

is this a "limited time offer" or anything?
I definately want to do this... but maybe more like in April or so.

also, anyone have pics of smoke lines installed on a black bike?

MisterMike

There is no time limitation.

The smoke lines would look good. Sorry no pics.

919newbie

That is sweet, i'll be ordering those this week for sure. Thanks again!!

Nemo

Sweeeeet. Just ordered a front/rear set in smoke! Can't beat the price.

Rob, I'll have to grab an old innertube, a hunk of lexan, and a drill tap in the size of my Mity-vac hose (though not quite clear on what to use for a fitting). Your brake-bleeding method, or at least my interpretation of it, sounds extremely try-worthy.

ez__rider

1- can you post pics of the smoke when you get em on there. I'm sure that's what I'll go with, but would really like to see em first.

2- and any tricks you can pass along in bleeding em out would be great too!

robtharalson

Actually, if you still have the tapered fittings most mityvac kits come with all you have to do is drill a good clean 1/8" hole through the plate and push the cone in until it seals. Make sure the cone doesn't protrude far enough into the reservior to vacuum brake fluid into the hand unit, or use the drain collector bottle to catch overflow.

Rob

Nemo

I'll post pix once the lines arrive; heck, maybe I'll do a photo-show of the install. Looking forward to a little affordable, functional bling.

as for bleeding, here's Rob Tharlson's method from the thread in the general section:

Sniper

The 919 has "budget" brake lines. Once you go stainless, you'll never settle for rubber again. The time is now. I'm sure Rob's method works well, but the old slower way of "pump and hold" will get the job done also.

ideajones

Ordered mine today (front smoke) $62 and change with tax and shipping. This should make it easier to change the bars later, but I still need a xrmikey clamp!
THANKS ROB

xrmikey

I haven't forgot. There just doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel these days. which is a good thing, but I want to get some guides made.

Nemo

Got the lines in smoke, and they look great.
The longer banjo bolt included with the kit is for the upper banjo fitting, where the hose joins the brake master cylinder, yes?

The stock front brake lines have a Y-splitter that splits the front line (single at the banjo bolt fitting to the brake master cylinder) into 2 lines that route to each caliper. The SS lines are separate, and dispense with the Y splitter fitting, implying that both lines attach (in a stacked fashion) to the longer fitting supplied with the G&J kit, to the master cylinder banjo fitting.

MisterMike

Yes

garyb900

Can't wait to see some installed pics and see how they fit.
+1 on xrmikey's brake line holder, it looks awesome! I think I'm on his list.

Nemo

Perfect, thanks for the pic. That clears it up nicely.
Nice Pazzos, too! I have 'em on the VFR, but haven't been able to justify 'em yet on the 919.

garyb900

Any updates on these?
Anyone got them installed yet?
How do they fit?
PICS?

ez__rider

x2. They just told me they've shipped half a dozen or so sets.
Is there a HERO who can post some pics... of SMOKEd lines?

garyb900

Any updates on these lines?
Fit? Pictures? Bueller?

robtharalson

Visited G&J today and asked if they would make me a set of lines in smoke color to check length and fit, which they did in about 20 minutes(!) I trial fit them on my '02 with stock bars and found the length and fitting angles to be about right. I certainly hope you appreciate the 200 freeway miles I had to go to do this.
----------Front lines-----------------
First, the front lines at the master:


If possible, extend the forks fully when fitting the lines to insure sufficient length to prevent stressing the lines in normal operation.
As you see, both lines attach to the longer banjo bolt, obviously with copper washers at each joint. They seem to want to route through the cutout in the right headlight stay. From there, they both curve down to the center of the lower triple clamp where the stock splitter bolts. This is where Xrmikey's clamp bolts (or ADEL clamps for the xrmikey clamp challenged. More on this later). From there, they diverge to each side. I recommend specifying stainless ferrules when ordering. The banjos are chromed steel.

This routing is approximate as I did not unbolt anything while fitting. Preferably, the lines should be angled toward their respective sides.


You will probably not want to use the stock lower guides, just let the lines take a natural curve to the calipers.

The left side:


Right side:


I recommend the lines be generally routed, then fitted to the calipers first and temporarily tightened to hold their angle. As you can see, the angled banjo goes to the calipers. Now attach the upper fittings to the master cylinder -- one banjo is straight and the other is angled slightly to clear the ferrules. Be sure the ferrules don't contact each other when the blot is run in. From here all that is left to do is tighten them down just enough to seal them and bleed out the system.

------Rear line----------

This is simpler. Follow the routing of the original line, paying attention to the angled banjo.
The master end:


The caliper end:


Pretty straightforward.

I am assured that the fittings can be rotated on the line by grasping the ferrule with a pair of pliers and gently rotating -- as the barbs on the crimp ends are rounded and circumfrential to the bore, they can be rotated fairly easily, and will also self rotate in use to compensate for stresses or twisting.

----------- AN fittings / ends -------------

One image of the ends on the lines they made for me.


In order for this to work, there must be a manifold at the master:


I machined this from a scrap of 7075 T6-51 aluminum I had lying around. The fittings are -3AN to 1/8 pipe epoxied into the manifold. Teflon tape works as well. If you want AN fittings, you will have to make your own manifold -- I definitely don't have time to make them for you.
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There you have it. Oh, and the lines pictured will be shipped to the next order for smoke color.

Rob

daveb

Thanks Rob for all your help. I got my lines 2 weeks ago. I haven't install them yet, but will real soon. G&J gave me fast service I ordered them on a Monday, and had them Friday! thats good, from CA to NY.

garyb900

Rob,
Thank you for the write up and pictures. That really helps. I do appreciate your efforts.

Nemo

Rob,
Many, many thanks for your effort and documentation here. I zip-tied mine last night and saw no difficulties--the G&J lines are perhaps a hair longer than stock. Turning stock bars lock to lock produced no tension.

However, I discovered a problem I hadn't anticipated--the longer fitting to the master cylinder will interfere with the bar mounting rod on my big Givi windshield. I'm not willing to give up the big shield in this weather, so I'll try to move it out of the way tonight.

garyb900

Rob,
Thanks again for all your work on this.
I just called and spoke to Zack (spelling?) and he was very helpful.
I ordered black lines with black aluminum banjo ends and a couple ADEL clamps (until I can get an XRmikey clamp!)
It was a little more expensive for the black ends, $84 I think he said, but still less than the other brands.
He said they'd make them & ship them today! That's service.

JEFFREY HERRELL

MISTERMIKE thks for the thread

Ordered a set of smoke lines, by the way can anybody help me figure out the xrmikey clamp deal? Confused unable to locate direct posting. Also why is my signature not posting?

MisterMike

The famous xrmikey brake line holder. Sig. appears to be showing.

YAAWZZU!!!

djs_tx

Just ordered a smoke set. Now I need to go buy some pads, oil filter, and spark plugs and I will pretty the 919 up.


David

djs_tx

Stupid question (hey I'm a computer geek). I got a little bag with 11 little copper washers. I assume that they go like this:

1 copper washer on each side of all the fitting head plus a copper washer between the two fittings at the handlebar reservoir end?

2 washers at rear brake caliper
2 washers at rear brake reservoir
2 washers at right front caliper
2 washers at left front caliper
Washer fitting washer fitting washer at the handlebar reservoir?

That right?

David

sugs

You are correct sir.

djs_tx

Thanks...
David

Sokali

Oh, and make sure you ask for 1.25" banjo bolt; they gave me the 1.5"
Good thing they're open on Saturdays; I don't feel like trimming the wrong bolt
Gotta run.

garyb900

The bolt they sent me is 1-1/2" overall, 1-1/4" without the head and has 1/2" of threads. Is this the correct bolt?

Sokali

You got the right one. The one I had was 1.5" not including the head, and was .25 inch too long.

garyb900

Thanks for confirming that.

honda919

so no time limit? I can order these in a couple weeks?

MisterMike

Correct... That is their everyday LOW price. Which reminds me, call G & J. Please mail back my OEM brake lines.

MajorNickmo

just ordered a rear line in red...said they'll ship out today! "Theys good peoples!"

2000TJ

Must pull the trigger soon!

Old Man

Thanks Mike, Nemo and all.
Great info
Old Man